Its been said to me on numerous occasions these days "cant see you lot keeping Payet ".
So simple question, will he go or will he stay ?,my opinion for what its worth ,even if our beloved club get it together and we wake up from this nightmare and get a few results i cant see us finishing higher than mid table ,i cant ,even in my wildest dreams see him here this time next year ,he's turned into a superstar before our very eye's and he's only got 2 or 3 years left and the big boys of European football are watching him like a hawk ,he scored another one for France tonight .
So wat ya fink

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Happy 68th birthday to a living legend ( not many of them about in this era ) from Barking, West Ham & England midfielder Sir Trevor Brooking...

Some of you may have noticed a few of the old original Orgers who had disappeared now revisiting the site, this is due to the fact that we have finally (after 18 Months) been able to properly 'unlock' their memberships. The reason it has taken so long is because when we re-launched the site it was instantly attacked by DDoS hackers (they know who they are, and more importantly we know who they are now!) Consequently people never properly received their invites to the site, furthermore those that did found it hard to re-log in. Well, those problems are a thing of the past now and we look forward to some additional witty banter from the returnees! Welcome back Orgers - Ed

A few things in one thread, apologies but don't have as much time these days.

Firstly just a point about the "New Stadium", for me this has now become a red herring for our crap performances, A nice easy fall back. We didn't take the "New Stadium" to West Brom did we? We still managed to get tonked by a crap Pulis side. We played the same there a couple of seasons ago under the corrupt one and had 4 put past us then. It's not the pitch, everyone else is scoring goals there even crap Romanian teams. I heard on the radio after travelling back on Sunday, some geezer called Jethro from Torquay, and a Liverpool fan! Criticising us that we got too big for our boots and the atmosphere at the OS is rubbish. When asked had he been there he replied no. End of discussion. So if you are going to harp on about the OS and blame it, at least get off your arse go there and then tell us what you heard, experienced etc.. It's not the stadium, it's not the fans standing or sitting, it's the players. You know the ones that kick the f'ing ball!!! We've been made to feel by outside forces and I have to say a lot of the armchairs on here, that we are somehow part of the problem. Like we aren't doing our job properly, by not creating the right atmosphere. Let alone the fact we have to pay ,make the journey to and fro and watch our team get demolished by mediocre opposition, we have to keep singing our hearts out? Oh and we can't leave early, coz proper fans don't do that. We have to stay till the end, for what? I've left early nearly every game this season, which I've never done in 35 years of supporting home and away. The reason? The team leaves the game after about 30 mins so why shouldn't I go home early too? I've got to get home with my son, on public transport, they jump in their flash motors parked in the ground and are home in about 20 mins.,

Secondly, the solution, the worst thing and most worrying is I don't think anyone knows what that is. Oxford apparently is this super defender sitting on the bench, top teams allegedly want him. Says who? His agent?. Well I saw him taken apart at UP last season and against Donzale, he made a few mistakes that would have been punished in the Prem. Byram has been found out against canny attackers like Ighalo. Obiang is just another average midfielder IMPO. Fletcher is seen as a hope because he adds a spark, but can he mentally handle the pressure of our struggle at the moment from the start? I suppose we will only know if he plays. I just don't see the players on the bench making a difference. I also see players on the pitch that aren't up for it. Payet, Kouyate and Reid especially. Whether they've got complacent, wanted a move away, I don't know. They look disinterested. Its' so bad that I'm getting embarrassed at the "we've got Payet" song. Last season feels like a long time ago now. Worse still I'm counting the days the great white hope Carroll comes back for about four or five games and gets injured again, or the wrong-un Sakho plays. I'm totally pinning my hope on the belief that they will change things, and I'm probably wrong. I'm dreading going on Saturday, another half a day of mine and my son's life wasted on those w*nkers. Not since the corrupt one have I dreaded going to West Ham so much.

Lastly if we got rid of Bilic as some have said already on here, what's going to change? Look at Chelsea they've still got the same problems under Conte as they had under Mourinho. Both managers we'd have given our right arm for BTW. Bilic can be criticised for picking round pegs in square hoes, but he works with these players every day and must know their mental state better than we do. If he thinks Kouyate isn't a centre back but a central midfielder and we accept that, then surely, we accept his obvious judgement that Oxford isn't up to it or ready? If they don't want to play for the club and it's fans, get rid I say. I'd rather go down and start agin than be embarrassed week in week out. Our claret and blue colours aren not the only similarity with Villa from last season. We would get rid of the tourists and build again. So I'm resigned to defeat already, so early and am looking at the next three games as make or break.

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This season has gone from bad to worse, I am still disappointed that we let Tomkins go he could have filled the RB berth as I thought he did reasonably well there last season when called upon. Nordvelt is not a Right-back he is a central midfielder, Zaza is utter tosh. Today (and for the next few games) I would have had Antonio at RB until Cress gets back and Arbs could slot back in. Payet and Lanzini had an off day and we left far too many gaps. Nobes is not getting forward like he did last season and the midfield is looking forlorn and all too often going AWOL. Our strikers (?) are playing with backs to goal and only late on did they get some support. I love West Ham United but we don't seem to have heart at the moment.
We Have players that other clubs would love on their books .. Payet, Oxford, Lanzini, Antonio, Feghouli..... and on paper we look strong then boom they come onto the pitch and it goes belly up... time to roll up the sleeves and show some fighting spirit! This scenario is heartbreaking and right now we are looking a very poor side.

hearing that he is stalling on a new deal and mourinho has been on the phone to him now as well. seems to me Bilic doesnt want him which is disappointing. he's got talent yet we don't want to play him….do we expect him to sign a new deal with this in mind?

I was watching the pratt last night and right after Slavs talk he turned to Shearer and said ,curling his top lip as if to emphasize Slavs remarks "embarrassing ? amateurish ? Anything to add to that Allen? " nasty piece of shit he must really hate us

I did not like Bilics selection right from the start, he dropped Reid and Barnes WHY?were they injured, thought Byram would be on the bench and give Arbeloa a chance in the first half. Collins would also have been on the bench in his place Oxford glad he played Ogbonna, would have kept Reid. Thought Adriane had a good game After his performance at Watford impressed with Kouyate, Fegoulli and Antonio.Za za and Nordtveit were below average. I would start Ashley Fletcher and try Obiang, Bearing in mind Carrol could be on the bench. 2or seasons ago I remember Downes coming in as a defensive coach, What ever Slaven said it did not work we leaked another 4 goals after Mansuaku's horrendous hand ball we were chasing the game shame really thought he played well against Watford, BUT we panicked we were like rabbits in the headlights just like the Watford game so what did they learn- Nothing. Its ok saying It never rains but it pours if Slaven does'nt find his umbrella we could be out of it by November with some real big fixtures ahead,time to get a defender coaching , Arbeloa springs to mind. Time for Slaven to stop being Mr Nice Guy, and drop a few players we keep hearing what a big squad we have, and they are nearly all fit, Lets see some of them Wednesday should be a good night to try different formations because I think even Slaven does not know his best team but he has a few ideas here. Lets give him a few more